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To Build or Not to Build

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Author Topic: HDPE / PP Enclosures  (Read 1482 times)

Offline winny

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 11:49:16 AM »
Hi Bloomers
I could possibly do it for about $800.00. We would have to discuss a few things that may affect price.
Being 1800 long it would bow a bit and to fix we could strengthen the front by using 30mm HDPE instead of 25mm and perhaps place a support in the middle just behind the glass. Another thing to consider being only 400mm high would only leave an opening of 200mm X 1785mm, not very high. More than happy to discuss with you. I am sure we could come up with something.
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Offline eipper

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2012, 09:56:14 PM »
I would be very cautious using hdpe as a caging material. This is due to the  rate of expansion. Roughly 5mm per metre for every 30 odd degrees c.
 This needs to considered when using hdpe in other applications so I would expect it is relevant here. It also will warp quite radically compared to other products such as PVC.

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Offline winny

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2012, 08:25:54 AM »
I am not saying this enclosure is perfect. As I said in my original post
I initially went in with all sorts of ideas but quickly realized costs were spiralling out of reach.
I have had an engineer help with the designs and choice of plastics and we belive it should be ok.
I just wanted to get away from replacing my enclosure every few years due to swelling and distortion of the melemine because of a spilt water bowl or the like. I hope a plastic enclosure will last a lot longer and in the end be a cheaper option.
I personally think these are better and will be using them myself. I thought others may be interested and I might be able to make a dollar while helping others and increasing the avaliable products to WA Herpers, we all seem to complain WA is left behind myself included but do little about it.
I would like to thank those who gave their opinion it has been very helpfull in deciding if I should market this product. It appears that WA Herpers prefer melemine enclosurers that they build themselvs and that is fine I understand that dollars speak volume.
I may still help a few friends and fellow herpers that are interested. but I will not be going into production.
Once again thankyou all for your valuable input
Andrew
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Offline Tristen

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2012, 05:39:35 PM »
Hi Winny,

I've been looking for some enclosures the last few weeks and have been finding it a but tricky to find anything that looks the part. Its taken a while to convince the boss to allow me to expand the collection, and whilst she has said "yes" she has made the condition that they can't be cheap and tacky looking (I'm not allowed to build them :) )

I would be interested in buying 3, but was wondering if you build them in white? Is there any chance of them being 90cm instead of 120cm?

Hope its not too late,
Cheers,
Tristen.

Offline winny

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2012, 08:40:44 PM »
Tristen PM Sent
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Offline Elliott

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2012, 07:18:14 AM »
I would always make my own when it comes down to it. I agree with Snowman I make all my enclosure out of second hand tv cabinets and from scratch using melamine. The only costly thing involved is the glass.. Toughened glass with smooth edges can get pricey.

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Offline weasleish

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2012, 04:17:57 PM »
30mm HDPE is stupidly heavy. 1.8 metre's long of it good luck moving it around. Go with everyone else's advice, old TV cabinets and stuff

Offline winny

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2012, 04:56:38 PM »
A 1.8m enclosure could be quite easily moved, in comparrison to wood or Melamine it is a lot lighter. Also the 30mm HDPE would only be used to stop the top from bowing at the front and to allow a good width for the tracks for 6mm toughened glass. the rest of the enclosure would be built of perhaps 18mm. If you build a Melamine enclose 1800mm wide without a strong support at the front the top will bow, and the glass will not slide correctly. I have  2 1200 X 600 X 600. they are stackable easily moved (like I move them weekly for fun gives the snakes new scenery) easy to clean. All round I think I built some great enclosures and as I need them will build more. I obviously think that spending a few extra dollars now instead of a new enclosure every few years is a better option. If you prefer a Melemine enclosure thats great, Some people prefer PVC, some solid wood. If I could afford it I would buy enclosures from these guys http://steinenclosures.com.au/
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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2012, 06:28:54 PM »
I love Stein enclosures. The only thing that concerns me is that people can easily think that waterfalls and misters etc are suitable for all types of lizards and snakes when they could in fact cause respiratory illness.
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Offline Jezzology

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2012, 02:56:47 PM »
. If you build a Melamine enclose 1800mm wide without a strong support at the front the top will bow, and the glass will not slide correctly.
Lol cheers for the heads up Winny, I'm currently building a (2x) 1800x595x595 melamine double stacker for my woma n BHP, currently without a central support.... I've got 6 thick legs on the base so that should be enough central support for the bottom (or would 8 be better?), the middle shelf (roof of bottom viv n floor of top viv) is supported between the 2 halves of the backboard at the back, and by brackets at the sides... Would a melamine vertical (or 2) be sufficient for the front do u think? Anyone with a bit of enc building experience pls advice would be appreciated...
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Offline winny

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 05:01:19 PM »
I would use 1 central support if making an 1800mm enclosure from melamine. If you wany a full open front without a divider you would need a substancial beam from the enclosure sides across the front to stop any bow.
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Offline Jezzology

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Re: HDPE / PP Enclosures
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2012, 06:34:09 PM »
Righteo thanks heaps for that. Saved me a bit of grief!

 

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