Instant Chat Thingy

[Bluetongue]

Bluetongue, the possibility is there but it will also create more work for Dave on a daily basis having to go through and delete threads all the time.

Roach,

I clearly stated this in my post: “I do appreciate that this means more work for you and / or whoever assists you in this.”    Can you please explain why you feel the need to bring this point to my attention again.  Have I missed something here or have I been ambiguous, perhaps?  Please accept that I am not attempting to be petulant or inflammatory in this query. 

I would be the last one to want to want to increase the work load of Dave and his compatriots.  However, if there is a real need out there that requires addressing and it is within Dave’s capabilities to fulfil it, given his evident altruistic desire to assist other herpers outside of his business dealings, I don’t see anything untoward in presenting him with potential options while spelling out the practicalities involved.  If you feel I have failed to do that, then by all mean please let me know.  I am human and I make mistakes. 

[Bluetongue]

AnneE, there is nothing stopping other members on the site going to other chat sites as well or there is also messenger.

You have obviously gotten a little stroppy over my comments. I did say on there this wasnt here to offend anyone so dont get all upset about it.

My point is even if there is a chit chat section on the forum like APS for example people will still post irrelevant information into peoples threads.

No offence but i dont really care what someone did over the weekend unless it included a reptile (or occasionally a frog). After all this is a reptile forum.

Roach,

I have read most of AnneE’s posts and the ones you refer to in particular.  I didn’t interpret any of them as getting obstreperous.  I did, however, discern that she felt the need to “defend her actions” and apologise for asking so many questions.  As best I can ascertain, this was in response to some negative feedback she read regarding her number of posts.  Although I can understand why some of the more conservative members of the forum might take exception to this, I cannot condone their attitudes.  They no doubt feel that “It is, after all, a forum and not a chat room”... a place where people ask questions and propriety demands they wait patiently, without comment, for their questions to be answered, hopefully by someone more knowledgeable than themselves".  Not to mention that most of these questions have been asked before and HO HUMMM! Not this again! 

There is an alternative point of view which has, in my humble opinion, at least equal validity.  The reactions and attitudes referred to above are akin to the impatience and arrogance shown towards learner drivers on the road at times.  It is easy to forget as an accomplished driver that you were once in that self-same position.  Add to this the pace and demands of modern living and the resultant need to be in a certain place by a certain time.  And you have the perfect recipe and “excuse” for impatience and intolerance.  God knows, it is only natural that we should be less tolerant of those with less capabilities than ourselves. Natural?  Yes.  Acceptable or excusable?  No.  Everyone has to start somewhere and their ignorance is never an excuse to denigrate on the basis of their desire to learn.  Enough said in this respect.

And as for what interests one person and another person doesn't care for... that is always going to be the case, whether the subject is a particular reptile or a frog or what somebody did on the weekend that didn't include reptiles or frogs.  That is why we have categories, topics and threads... so people like yourself Roach, don't have to trawl through what is tantamount to dross for them.  Adding another thread to the forum for chat will not, I agree, stop people from posting irrelevant material in topical threads.  However, given its potential for on-line users to utilise such a thread for "chit-chat" when the need or desire arises (“hey, lets continue this conversation in the ‘chat’ room”) it certainly displays the potential to reduce the amount of irrelevant postings in topical threads.  Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so until we "suck it and see” we shall never really know either way.

The point I would make here is basically, why would you want to direct local people away from a local forum?  WA is unique in Australia in lots of ways, and its herpetological fauna is no exceptio to that.  So if there exists a needs to cater for local herpers, why not at least try to address it locally?  If it doesn’t pan out or it’s too much work, then, by all means, abandon the local solutions and look interstate or nationally, secure in the knowledge that at least you have tried.

Mike

[carpetcleaner]

To say that I am deeply hurt and offended would be an understatement. I am aware that I am probably one of the main culprits for posting idle chit chat and slightly off topic "crap" but I was of the opinion that my thoughts were valued or at least heard by some like minded people that I have grown fond of and respect. Particular reference given to the King Skink thread.
I am very sorry if my ramblings have offended or annoyed anyone. It is with a very heavy heart that I have decided that I will refrain from posting until some sort of compromise is worked out.
Thanks for the good times.

[squeal :-)]

CC don't go

I am only relatively new to this site but have enjoyed it for it's friendliness and information.
You can get all you need to know in a friendly informative manner.  To me it didn't matter
if people went "of topic" it all added to the fun.  This site has always had the feeling of talking to someone
over a coffe whilst learning.  As in life you start of on one topic, side step to another, and then return to the first
one.  If all you wanted was facts and figures you would read text books.  There are other sites where, if you put a coma or full stop out of place
hackles go up immediately.  And don't think of having an opinion that doesn't comply with the
"norm"  So what if ten different people ask the same question!!  It is better to ask a "dumb " question
than make a serious mistake.  Like in life if something or someone "pisses" you off ignore it , or them,
and go on to the next thing.  Don't involve yourself with it, or them, and then complain.
This forum is always going to attract new people and therefore the same queries we all had at the start
are going to come up again and again. 
At the end of the day we will always get our questions answered and therefore learn something.
This is the best forum, warts and all, that I have come across and wouldn't want it to change.  It's full of knowleagable members,
excited beginners, young people and us older ones but we all share a common idea "we love our reptiles and want what is best for them"
I will now get of my soapbox

P.S.  CC you can ramble anytime when I am reading the threads

[AnneE]

Firstly Bluetongue....thank you for your comments.

Secondly CC....I know exactly how you feel about what is happening, but I will not let anyone intimidate me.  How can one not feel just a little "stropy" when one calls "chat".... crap, that's a rather raw little word.  I am a social person, and as it was stated, if you want to find out facts and figures....look up text books !!  Asking "dumb" questions when you are a newbie could save the life of your pet.  And some of these newbies could become well educated experienced herpers in the future, so let us say our piece, let this forum grow and let us get to know each other socially as well if we want to.  Give us a "separate" chat room....we need it.  Those who think it's "crap" don't need to go there.  CC, don't leave, ..... hey babe, I need you.  :-)

Hugs,  Anne

[viridis]

 I did notice a very long time ago, on one of those other chat rooms, if you were not in that little click then you were ignored.
At least this way you can come on any time and have you input.


 

[roach]

Bluetongue- The comment was sarcasm, because even with a chat thread/room it will still not stop the flooding and there are planty of sides around already that offer what people are after.

I have not stated anything on behalf of the average punter. Its my own opinion and while i know many feel the same way if they have something to say they can say it themselves. Where have i stated anything on behalf of the average  punter. Exactly, i havent

I have never said i dont want to see eastern states species, people or threads relating to anything over there on the forum. Where did you get this idea from.
You have assumed this on what basis?

I mentioned it would be additional work for dave on a daily basis because every keeps bringing the idea up as a great idea lets do it but there not thinking about it in a bit more detail.

Where have i directly said AnneEs posts are crap. NEVER. She just jumped on her soap box assuming it was directed at her. People need to read the posts a little better.
Although, it does make some people take a step back and have a look at what has been happening.

I have never downed anyone for asking questions so i dont quite get what you are refering to whit some of your comments.

Of course everyone starts somewear and again i have never said anything relating to people asking questions about animals, licencing etc. Just flooding in General.

I am not directing local people away from the forum. Where did you get this idea from. Yet more assumptions. Basically just stating there are alternatives already existing for what people are asking for. Why not utilise existing available resources instead of making something new every time.

Carpetcleaner- I have never directed anything at you or your posts. No need to get upset.

AnneE- Yet again where have i stated your questions or posts are crap. I never have. Please settle down. You have assumed everything has been directed at you when it hasnt.

I think people need to focus on the post they are reading and not let their minds wonder and think up all this other crap.

[AnneE]

Roach, in reply #8 you used the word "crap" as a general term for chat, I didn't say it was directed at me personally, however some time ago you did mention to me in a pm that a lot of experienced herpers are put off by "flooding".  This is a public forum, and providing there is no bad language I think it should be open to anyone who wishes to contribute.  I don't think anyone should worry about Dave and making more work for him, from what a gather he's a mature intelligent man and able to make his own mind up as to what he wants to do and what he doesn't. 

This is the last comment I will make about this subject.  I'm all for a chat room for social and herp purposes being part of this site. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't.....so be it.

Cheers.  Anne

[roach]

Not just for chat but unscessary posts.

Funny that, i dont remember ever sending you a pm

Im not speaking for dave in any way. Im just saying some people should think about what has to happen for these things to happen.

You got your chat room, please enjoy.

[Bluetongue]

Roach,

Roach,

Some words of advice from one of the more knowledge members here:  No need to get upset.  Please settle down.

Now truthfully, how does that make you feel?

If you are uncertain as to the intended message in this post, then look up the meaning of the verb ‘patronize’.

Regards,
Mike

[roach]

There is no need to settle down as im not getting upset.

Simply saying people are thinking about whats been posted instead of just reading it.
There have been many assumptions made from comments that are of no relation to the subject at all.
You pulled all of these theories from what basis ?

Cheers
Roach

[sarez]

Well there certainly seems to have been a flooding on this thread...

Roach, coming from someone who's had to deal with some very agressive people in my life, you need to realise that it is not OK to tell others to settle down while getting all stroppy and upset yourself, it will never be well received. If you aren't upset, then you need to carefully assess how you express yourself to others in the future, because that's how it's coming across.

Thanks Mike, you seem very wise and I look forward to one day meeting you. To Anne and CC please don't let the comments of one result in the loss of your much valued imput for the rest of us. Please don't stop posting!! 

sarez

[Bluetongue]

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Simply saying people are thinking about whats been posted instead of just reading it.
...
Cheers
Roach

Damn!!!  So that's what I am doing wrong!

[Bluetongue]

Well there certainly seems to have been a flooding on this thread...

Roach, coming from someone who's had to deal with some very agressive people in my life, you need to realise that it is not OK to tell others to settle down while getting all stroppy and upset yourself, it will never be well received. If you aren't upset, then you need to carefully assess how you express yourself to others in the future, because that's how it's coming across.

Thanks Mike, you seem very wise and I look forward to one day meeting you. To Anne and CC please don't let the comments of one result in the loss of your much valued imput for the rest of us. Please don't stop posting!! 

sarez

Sarez,

It is apparent that wisdom is not exclusively accrued with age.

Mike

[Reptilian]

Look here people, I posted this as I felt that it would be easier to communicate (instantly rather than waiting for replies) with each other mainly in "peak" times when there are a few people on... It is only as a result, that there MAY be a slight or even a large drop in flooding, but this was not my main concern if at all, its just a bi-product that may be less upsetting to people that obviously get shitty with it....

As to Roach, Im not having a go at you, but it did come across as you getting stropy and although not directly, did still make some comments that was easily put to people... I also did feel that you somewhat directed people away in the sence that you mentioned that there are other forums which have chat rooms... So what? this site is not here to compete with others, nor is it IMO only the same as others... We here consist of mainly WA herpers, after all it is aptly named WEST AUSTRALIAN REPTILE DISCUSSION FORUM...

I do agree with CC? or SQUEAL? (cant member who) said that the other forums chat rooms are very "clicky" and you know what? I 100% AGREE, i too have been members of some forums for a few years and actively participated (infact every day, im addicted, LoL) and yet even still could go online and be ignored... Also I find that this forum "seems" to be like a pack of friends, where you can chat, can have opinions, can make comments and feel safe that 99% of the time you aint gonna get flamed...

You know what CC, dont stop posting chat in threads, it really doesnt bother me...I like you and i am a social person like most others, one reason i suggested this thread...

Oh and BTW (and again, not having a go) but Dave runs a "business" as i have in the past also, it may not be easy, but a business should always put the customer first...If we want a chat room and all think its a great idea, and Dave himself said he wanted to do it sometime as well, then what is the bloody issue? businesses are that, businesses...If you cant be stuffed, dont enter business...And IF it is so bloody hard to delete a chat room thread every day, thats fine, but for the benefit of OUR WA herp community, i hereby put my name up to do that particular job for him...Give me the power to delete just the chat thread everyday, and I will bloody do it, cos i love the site, i love the herp community we have here, i love the people here, and i love reptiles...

Regards...
Ash aka chat moderator...LoL